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There wasn't really that much material to work with this episode, and most of the ideas I had were taken in the first 24 hours! This one is a more 'What if' comic featuring Trixie and the Flim Flam brothers!

I actually felt bad for the Flim Flam brothers, they were running a legitimate business and won the competition fairly. Also that song was catchy as hell! If they had used the good cider afterwards or quickly made a fresh batch they would have been fine. Yeah they had there moments of being 'normal badguy routine', but these were few and far between. I guess I really like their character more than anything.


Also, we need Trixie back!


Edit: Some people have raised some points against the Flim Flam brothers, I thought I should clarify my views. Ultimatly I liked them as villans because they didn't do the typical 'bad guy stuff' that so many villans do these days. Gilda pushed ponies around, Trixie was full of herself, the Flim Flam brothers? They were in it for the business, to sell cider to very clear and easy market. At the end they couldn't sell anymore cider and left Ponyville.

As for the bet, YES they started making cider which wasn't drinkable, but think about this: They tried to sell that cider afterwards and were genuinely surprised when the customers didn't like it. While they probably realised it wasn't as good as the filtered cider, they still expected it to taste like cider, which was completely within the rules of the competition. Now while they might not be completely innocent, I still don't think they're 'bad' ponies, they just come off as the bad guys because they went up against our favourite farming family.


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nerd-with-a-pencil Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Their problem isn't so much out-and-out maliciousness as much as really bad business sense. If they were willing to negotiate down to 50-50 (or even 60-40), they still would've made way more money than they ever would've alone.
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GameAddictedDragon Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2015
She's so fired...
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pokeparty232 Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
in the front of the mob is a unicorn derpy O.O
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NieEngel Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2015
With green hair and eyes? I don´t think so
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pokeparty232 Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
i meant to say it LOOKS like a unicorn derpy...
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sonicgail Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2014
I think their season 4 appearence ruined them
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MLPegasis4898 Featured By Owner May 11, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh, Trixie... :XD: :XD: :XD:
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Midnight2819 Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2014
Lol
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pokemonlegend999 Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Crazy Pinkamena WHERE MAH CIDER!?
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dusknoir64 Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2014
ummmm, trixe, a little suggestion ponies generally don't like it when you tie up their mayor. Just saying.
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BDDPPP Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2013  Student
XD look at the angry pony mob.
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Wollica Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
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truecere Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
nooooooo! you beat me to it! noo!
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Skunkplush Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2013
Also that episode was a complete mathematics fail X3
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Shojo-Skip Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
You're so naive to look up to the Flim Flam guys.  They used their jaunty tune as a technique to manipulate customers into buying their brand of cider - like Harold Hill in "The Music Man".
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SteampunkPhoenix Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2014
Except that the Flim Flam brothers were actually able to back up their claim (for a while) AND were engaged in a legitimate business transaction. Harold Hill was planning on skipping town after everyone payed and didn't actually know how to play any instruments.
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derpishhorsey Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2013
Run Away 
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angelic20 Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
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DrX-Raven Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2013
*Raven*: And what did she do to Mayor Mare?
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AkaRanger Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2013
Turns out the angry mob stopped chasing them after Flam turned off the getaway music that was playing on radio.
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growlvee Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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Pandalaimon Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2013
:{D  Hello.  
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Bulbaderp Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
The green horn glow... I'm glad they didn't let the apple family go bankrupt![link]
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The-Dancing-Reaper Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2013
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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matt0044 Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2013
I prefer them as antagonists. They create the conflict but aren't (really) evil or "bad guys."
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The-Necromancer Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh the hilarity that could be. Damn, this concept would likely make a humorous and enjoyable spin-off in it's own right...
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Mediocre-Grimm Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2013
Well, at least the SCS-6000 is faster than Trixie's cart.
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Patrikov909 Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
derp plan is derp....lol
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RGzer0 Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2013
The Flim Flam Brothers are definitely not bad ponies, but they do come off as rather conceited and seem to care more about beating out competition than they do about selling cider. What people and ponies don't realize, or don't give them credit for, is the fact that they are legitimate business ponies. Sure, the Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000 makes the cider for them, but that machine didn't invent itself. It didn't design itself and draw its own blueprints and specs, or buy its own parts, and the build itself. Flim and Flam did all that. They may not exert themselves much to make apple cider, but they certainly put a lot of work, not to mention probably hours of frustration, into their machine which turned out to work magnificently. So when they claim to be good at making apple cider, it is a legitimate claim. I hope they learned from their mistakes at Sweet Apple Acres, bought some land, grew their own orchard, started their own business, turned their machine into a factory, and became millionaires.
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stiffbonez Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2013
as much as i can guess how things ended up this way, i have to ask, between the second-to and last panels, what just happened? still hilarious though
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Cartoonist-Girl Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2012
>Also, we need Trixie back!

Well, you got your wish.
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KateVunza Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012
Oh-ho-ho, Trixie, NOW you trust wheels!
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SaiyanWarrior002 Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
They didn't start chasing them until Flim turned on that getaway music. (Simpsons reference)
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GirlAnimePrincess Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
something I dont get about that episode is they went straight from "We might not have enough money to continue sweet apple acres" to "Now they own Sweet apple acres"
It never said that the land was actually part of the deal, they just said that they may have a bit of trouble in the future if they dont make enough money. Then after the compitition, Flim and Flam simply claimed the land
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Krawczyk Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2012
Heh, if anything I came away from that episode with feeling Applejack was a luddite and the true 'villain' of the episode especially after the letter.

Makes me want an ep where the farm gets in dire straits for reals, and Apple Bloom is the one who comes up with the solution, not AJ or Twilight. After Bridle Gossip I had a feeling that no matter what mark she gets AB would be the better business pony and probably wind up running the farm as a side project to whatever her mark is. Whenever an episode puts AJ in the wrong it's usually AB who comes out looking better. (Oddly, in this episode it was Granny. She liked the cider and probably would have figured out a deal if the younger Apples didn't butt in and start fighting with F&F leading to the chicken incident which led to the competition.)
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WheelJackson Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2012   General Artist
So long Great and Powerful Twit! =P
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darkrath1 Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2012  Hobbyist Filmographer
RAMBLE...RAMBLE..RAMBLE!RAMBLE!RAMBLE!RAMBLE!RAMBLE!!!
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ToaDJacara Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2012
LOL XD
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theclockworkgiant Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
when i first watched this episode, flim and flam's names reminded me of the word "flem." It's probably their secret ingredient.
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AqomXG Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012
Que paso al final no entendi
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AndytheB-Artist Featured By Owner May 28, 2012  Hobbyist
If anything, this proves that Trixie and the Flim Flam Brothers were meant for each other. I hope they settle down into a bizarre, three person marriage that produces no children.
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AndytheB-Artist Featured By Owner May 22, 2012  Hobbyist
I wish they'd have more business sense. Imagine if they had actually been fair with The Apple Family instead of giving them an obviously bad model (after all, The Apple Family makes many other apple based products). They could get really rich off of the profits.

Instead, they get so worked up in trying to drive the Apple Family out of business, they let quality control slip away, and well, you know the rest. [link]
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SubjectNumber2394 Featured By Owner May 24, 2012
In my head cannon they come from a business background and probably expected haggling of some sort. When the Apple family just declined it straight off they figured it would be better to just take over the market. Do they seam like the type that would offer a lower deal because their first offer was rejected? Instead the apple family shouldn't have let their pride and stubbornness get the better of them, they almost lost their farm and home (technically did) and still didn't learn anything from it.
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numbah4fan Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2012
I do admit the song was very catchy, I listened to it like 5 times, I couldn't help it! It was so awsome!
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SubjectNumber2394 Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2012
It is a good song! One of my fav's.
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TheFlimFlamBrothers Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2012
This should be an episode in Season 3 us and the great and powerful trixie working together! Glorious!
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i-am-me-hello Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
they were trying to get all of the apple families money and land and they lowered quality to win
they werent the worst but not the nicesest
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chibipanda95 Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Rabble! Ha good idea ^^ they may be villians, but damn, they've got charisma! Well done C: too bad i've only watched their song (sooo catchy!) and not the entire episode yet. Shame on me. It's okay, you're allowed to love a good villain C:
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JunaECBS Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Hm. I'm sorry for touching the same subject again, but I wanted to throw my two cents over here:

First, I kinda liked that their machine didn't produce faulty cider from the start. One would expect that to be the case on a story like that.
Secondly... the moment they became "antagonists" was the moment the Apples refused their deal. No talk, no "let's discuss this again", just "we've now become competitors". There was no way of knowing this beforehand, but their deal was actually bad for the Apples: they could produce 3 high-quality barrels of cider in the time the Apples could produce 1; since the machine had to be explicity powered by the brothers' magic, they couldn't "leave it on" overnight and would tire eventually, so they could only make it work during "normal" work hours, I assume. That way... there would be 3x the cider, but only 1/4th of the income for the Apples, effectively reducing their income by 25%. That's not even touching the case of limited apple supplies...
While I think the bet was stupid from Granny's behalf, they should have talked this through. There was no way the Apples could have accepted the deal as it was. =/

Er... sorry if that was long. <^^'
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SubjectNumber2394 Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2012
I think the Apple family should have tried to haggle. It feels like that's what the brothers would be used to, offering then getting a counter offer. If they had improved the percentage the family recieved it could have been very beneficial to them, imagine running out of barrels only to have it refreshed in a matter of minutes. And it was clear that there was still a large percentage of ponies who did not have cider. If that deal and been improved towards the Apples side then they all would have benefited. But I feel it was the Apple family who was too stubborn to at least try and negotiate and haggle the price down. But really non of this is 'bad', the brothers offered and when refused they decided that competition would be the only way. While it might be a bit rude, it's hardly illegal.

Don't worry about length, say as much as you need to get your point across ^^. You should see the size of some of the other debates, even in this comment section.
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